⚓ T177 creation of irc channels and website update with new channels.

Noumeno created this task.Oct 26 2020, 4:33 PM

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I should mention at https://lubuntu.me/links/ there are links to Telegram, Matrix, and IRC, all with their own separate icons. Well, we need icons!

Also @Noumeno thank you SO much for setting all this up. I'll get to work on this.

many of those icons are the same, thanks @wxl !!!!!

To put this on record, the names should be:

Portuguese: #lubuntu-pt
Italian: #lubuntu-it
Russian: #lubuntu-ru
Japanese: #lubuntu-jp
French: #lubuntu-fr
Chinese: #lubuntu-cn
Arabic: #lubuntu-arabic
German: #lubuntu-de

I've confirmed that we don't need permission from the IRC Council or anything.

Regarding the icons, they are the same, except for the ones that are specific to locales. We only have the Spanish one so far. So we need the others. Essentially just paste a flag on it. Easy. Except for Arabic. Not sure what to do there. I would actually suggest asking the users on that channel for their advice!

wxl updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 11 2020, 11:35 PM

I'm not very good at editing images, I'll try to see the result.

At this time in Arabic there is no one who is not an administrator. maybe after putting it on the website, we will have more people.

the Arab flag I see that it can be complicated ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_flags

So I created all the channels, which is the first step.

There are two exceptions:

#lubuntu-it
#lubuntu-fr

Both channels were already created. I had to get them transferred over to us.

Here are the remaining steps:

Send a link to RT requesting logging.
Set an entry message about logging.
Set topics for all the channels (HELP NEEDED).
Get lubot in all the channels.
Open the channels (right now guard/mlock flags are set).
Update the official IRC channel list.
Create factoids with the bots so we can easily point people in the right directions (HELP NEEDED).
Get all the icons made (HELP NEEDED).
Update the website.

See those HELP NEEDED things? That's where I need help. I could probably handle the icons but I absolutely cannot do things that requires using a different language.

Here's what we're using for the factoid for #lubuntu-es:

En este canal de lubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #lubuntu-es; escriba " /join #lubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro.

The topic on #lubuntu-es is not quite in line with the default English topic, so I'd like something like it:

Lubuntu Support | About: https://lubuntu.me | Docs: https://manual.lubuntu.me | Lubuntu 20.04 LTS released! https://lubuntu.me/focal-released | Offtopic: #lubuntu-offtopic | Contribute: #lubuntu-devel | Mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/lubuntu-users | Telegram: https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support

Technically, there's a "Español: #lubuntu-es" in there, but I don't want to list all the channels there. When we the website updated, it would be reasonable to add something like "Other Languages: https://lubuntu.me/links."

Also, maybe we should avoid putting in offtopic and devel since they are inherently English-speaking?

Oh and maybe an idea to deal with the Arabic issue: don't use flags. Arabic itself is highly ornamental and would look lovely on one of the icons. اَلْعَرَبِيَّةُ is the word for the Arabic language, if Wikipedia is to be believed. Again, I would actually defer to the judgement of people that are Arabic speakers. I know that they are very, very widely distributed geographically.

What does this look like as an example?

That looks good to me!

ok, then I continue with the rest of the languages ;)

I've got the bot on all the IRC channels except for -arabic. Something is wrong there. Since it goes by channel name, my guess is it's an RTL issue.

I think the bot needs to be invited to all the channels and then greeted. Can you take care of that @Noumeno ?

How do i have to do it?

Invite "Lubuntu Bridge Bot" (username #lubuntu_bot) to each of the Telegram channels.
Say hi directly to it, making sure to @mention it

In T177#3837, @wxl wrote:

I've got the bot on all the IRC channels except for -arabic. Something is wrong there. Since it goes by channel name, my guess is it's an RTL issue.

I think the bot needs to be invited to all the channels and then greeted. Can you take care of that @Noumeno ?

and -arab?

Arabic is missing, until the creation of the channel.

En este canal de lubuntu, sólo se habla en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español, entre al canal #lubuntu-es; escriba " /join #lubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro.

Neste canal lubuntu, é falado em inglês. Se você está procurando ajuda em português, vá para o canal #lubuntu-pt; digite "/ join #lubuntu-pt" (sem aspas) e pressione Enter.

Dans cette chaîne lubuntu, seul l'anglais est parlé. Si vous cherchez de l'aide en français, entrez le canal #lubuntu-fr; tapez "/join #lubuntu-fr" (sans les guillemets) et appuyez sur Entrée.

В этом канале lubuntu говорят только на английском. Если вам нужна помощь на русском языке, перейдите на канал #lubuntu-ru; введите "/join #lubuntu-ru" (без кавычек) и нажмите Enter.

In questo canale Lubuntu si parla solo inglese. Se cerchi aiuto in italiano, vai sul canale #lubuntu-it; digita "/join #lubuntu-it" (senza virgolette) e premi invio.

在這個lubuntu頻道中，只會說英語。如果您正在尋找中文幫助，請轉至lubuntu-cn頻道；輸入“ /join＃lubuntu-cn”（不帶引號），然後按Enter

このルブントゥチャンネルでは、英語で話されています。日本語でのヘルプをお探しの場合は、チャンネル＃lubuntu-jpにアクセスしてください。「 /join＃lubuntu-jp」（引用符なし）と入力し、Enterキーを押します。

In diesem Lubuntu-Kanal wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Wenn Sie Hilfe auf Deutsch suchen, gehen Sie zum Kanal #lubuntu-de; Geben Sie "/join #lubuntu-de" (ohne Anführungszeichen) ein und drücken Sie die Eingabetaste.

I have this message on all channels and I cannot enter, I continue tomorrow, now it is late

#lubuntu-fr: Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
#lubuntu-cn: Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
#lubuntu-jp: Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
#lubuntu-it: Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited

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zip archive with the flags

First of all, thank you so much for the quick response!!!!!!!

Check out the edited description list for additional pieces missing.

The new thing you will see is the logging message needing to be translated. The text would be "Welcome to #ChannelName. This channel is logged. Use of this channel implies acceptance of terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService" but obviously use something relevant in place of #ChannelName :)

Also we need the matching icons for Matrix and IRC.

Regarding the channels being locked, that's intentional while I get them all set up.

wxl updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 14 2020, 1:32 AM

In T177#3845, @wxl wrote:

First of all, thank you so much for the quick response!!!!!!!

Check out the edited description list for additional pieces missing.

The new thing you will see is the logging message needing to be translated. The text would be "Welcome to #ChannelName. This channel is logged. Use of this channel implies acceptance of terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService" but obviously use something relevant in place of #ChannelName :)

Also we need the matching icons for Matrix and IRC.

Regarding the channels being locked, that's intentional while I get them all set up.

Logging message -------------- done.

matching icons -----------------pending for tomorrow

Thanks!!!!

"Bienvenido a #lubuntu-es. Este canal está registrado. El uso de este canal implica la aceptación de los términos en https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService"

"Bem-vindo a #lubuntu-pt. Este canal está registrado. O uso deste canal implica a aceitação dos termos em https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService"

"Benvenuto in #lubuntu-it. Questo canale è registrato. L'uso di questo canale implica l'accettazione dei termini su https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService"

«Добро пожаловать на #lubuntu-ru. Этот канал зарегистрирован. Использование этого канала подразумевает принятие условий на https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService»

「 #lubuntu-jpへようこそ。このチャンネルはログに記録されます。このチャンネルを使用すると、https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService で規約に同意したことになります。」

"Bienvenue sur #lubuntu-fr. Ce canal est connecté. L'utilisation de ce canal implique l'acceptation des conditions sur https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService"

“歡迎使用＃lubuntu-cn。該通道已記錄。使用此通道表示接受https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService中的條款”

"Willkommen bei #lubuntu-de. Dieser Kanal ist protokolliert. Die Nutzung dieses Kanals impliziert die Annahme von Bedingungen unter https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService."

"مرحبًا بكم في lubuntu-arabic#. تم تسجيل هذه القناة. استخدام هذه القناة
يعني قبول الشروط على https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService"

@Noumeno don't forget I need the translated topic for the Spanish channel. Thanks again!

I also do the part of Arabic that is unfinished

Sounds good, thanks!!

wxl updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 14 2020, 1:44 AM

In T177#3849, @wxl wrote:

@Noumeno don't forget I need the translated topic for the Spanish channel. Thanks again!

wxl updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 14 2020, 2:04 AM

factoid:

يتم التحدث باللغة الإنجليزية فقط على قناة lubuntu هذه. إذا كنت تبحث عن مساعدة باللغة العربية ، فانتقل إلى قناة #lubuntu-arab؛ اكتب "/Join # lubuntu-arab" (بدون علامتي الاقتباس) واضغط على Enter.

wxl updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 14 2020, 2:14 AM

wxl updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 14 2020, 2:16 AM

I have problems with the topics for:

#lubuntu-ru
#lubuntu-jp
#lubuntu-arabic

All of them get cut off, even after I removed the bit about (English) support. Maybe I should remove the offtopic and development channels? I'd consider them more English specific, no?

wxl updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 14 2020, 2:24 AM

ok it's a good idea

I modified all the topics accordingly so that they do not mention any other IRC channels.

wxl updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 14 2020, 2:38 AM

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wxl updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 14 2020, 7:42 PM

At this point, all channels except for -arabic should be all set with the exception of the factoids and the website, so functionally we're in business!

I got all the factoids set up. I opted not to make factoids within all the localized channels as I can't imagine someone coming to the Chinese channel so they could find out how to get to the French channel. It also saves me a heck of a lot of time XD

wxl updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 14 2020, 8:44 PM

In T177#3865, @wxl wrote:

At this point, all channels except for -arabic should be all set with the exception of the factoids and the website, so functionally we're in business!

jejejejee ;) great job!!!

en français
in italiano
日本語で jp
用中文（表達 cn
بالعربية
auf Deutsch
em português
по-русски

is the translation of "in English" into their respective languages. Is correct???

For Discourse

Oh no, great job to you and the rest of the folks providing support for all of these users which we otherwise couldn't reach well before.

P.S. don't forget about the remaining icons needed!

In T177#3884, @wxl wrote:

Oh no, great job to you and the rest of the folks providing support for all of these users which we otherwise couldn't reach well before.

P.S. don't forget about the remaining icons needed!

I'm going to start with that now ;) Matrix and IRC? is OK?.

Right, so we need one icon for Telegram (like we currently have for -es with the flag), one for IRC (-es is there but isn't using a flag, which it should), and one for Matrix (same as with IRC). Hope that makes sense.

telegram icons are here , https://phab.lubuntu.me/T177#3844

I will start now with the rest

done

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Thanks! Don't forget I need the Telegram one for Portuguese.

wxl updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 14 2020, 11:59 PM

In T177#3889, @wxl wrote:

Thanks! Don't forget I need the Telegram one for Portuguese.

Thanks! @kc2bez is going to hack at the website. Meanwhile, when you have time, it would be nice to get the icons for Arabic. At the very least, we should advertise the Telegram channel. And eventually I'm going to figure out what's up with TeleIRC.

In T177#3892, @wxl wrote:

Thanks! @kc2bez is going to hack at the website. Meanwhile, when you have time, it would be nice to get the icons for Arabic. At the very least, we should advertise the Telegram channel. And eventually I'm going to figure out what's up with TeleIRC.

for Arabic as it does not have a flag, maybe the default icon would be enough? How do we solve this?

I was thinking maybe we use the word "Arabic." We could use the one you gave me for Discourse (بالعربية) or the one I found on Wikipedia (اَلْعَرَبِيَّةُ) or something else that Arabic-speakers might suggest. Ask them!

In T177#3897, @wxl wrote:

I was thinking maybe we use the word "Arabic." We could use the one you gave me for Discourse (بالعربية) or the one I found on Wikipedia (اَلْعَرَبِيَّةُ) or something else that Arabic-speakers might suggest. Ask them!

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I have worked on the Telegram section.
Here is what the old section looked like:

Here is the new one:

If someone would double check the links I would appreciate that.

is an error y lubuntu-ru topic, the correct one is

Тема для канала lubuntu-ru:

Поддержка Lubuntu на русском языке

Обо мне: https://lubuntu.me

Документы: https://manual.lubuntu.me

Выпущена Lubuntu 20.04 LTS! https://lubuntu.me/focal-released

Международные языки: https://lubuntu.me/links

Список рассылки: https://lists.ubuntu.com/lubuntu-users

Телеграмма: https://t.me/Lubuntu_Ru

japanese topic has a little error , this is the correct with lubuntu in title, no lubunto

チャンネル＃lubuntu-jpのテーマ：
ルブンツサポート日本語について

概要：https://lubuntu.me

ドキュメントhttps://manual.lubuntu.me

Lubuntu 20.04 LTSがリリースされました！ https://lubuntu.me/focal-released

国際言語：https://lubuntu.me/links

メーリングリスト: https://lists.ubuntu.com/lubuntu-users

電報：https://t.me/Lubuntujp

In T177#3899, @kc2bez wrote:

I have worked on the Telegram section.
Here is what the old section looked like:

Here is the new one:

If someone would double check the links I would appreciate that.

is correct, but in chinese and japanese channels we would have to remove the cn and jp, thanks!!!!!

In T177#3902, @Noumeno wrote:

is correct, but in chinese and japanese channels we would have to remove the cn and jp, thanks!!!!!

I have that all fixed up and I have the updated Arabic Telegram icon too.

@kc2bez thanks for that! Now we just need to do the same thing for IRC and Matrix.

@Noumeno I set the topics for -ru and -jp but they're too long. Outside of removing actual content, I'm not sure how else to revise it. Suggestions?

In T177#3904, @wxl wrote:

@kc2bez thanks for that! Now we just need to do the same thing for IRC and Matrix.

Perfect! I wanted to make sure I was on the right track. I will carry on and get IRC and Matrix next.

In T177#3904, @wxl wrote:

@kc2bez thanks for that! Now we just need to do the same thing for IRC and Matrix.

@Noumeno I set the topics for -ru and -jp but they're too long. Outside of removing actual content, I'm not sure how else to revise it. Suggestions?

I suppose that the least used of the topic is the mailing list, it is also in lubuntu.me/links which is also posted

In T177#3903, @kc2bez wrote:

In T177#3902, @Noumeno wrote:

is correct, but in chinese and japanese channels we would have to remove the cn and jp, thanks!!!!!

I have that all fixed up and I have the updated Arabic Telegram icon too.

Thanks! @kc2bez and @wxl !!

Maybe we should wrap the two together, so the text would be something like "Other languages/support options." So we'd need a translation.

In T177#3908, @wxl wrote:

Maybe we should wrap the two together, so the text would be something like "Other languages/support options." So we'd need a translation.

for Other languages/support options ?

For which languages ?, for all or only for those that do not enter all the characters?

I think in an ideal world we should do all of them so we don't have to rethink this again. I'll also change the main topic to match. That way when we change the topic, it's just a matter of getting the main one translated instead of working out specific things for specific channels.

In T177#3910, @wxl wrote:

I think in an ideal world we should do all of them so we don't have to rethink this again. I'll also change the main topic to match. That way when we change the topic, it's just a matter of getting the main one translated instead of working out specific things for specific channels.

ok, perfect!!!!

I think I have the IRC section all set.
Here is the old:

And here is the new:

Nice! Oh, one small thing: the line should separate sections, i.e. IRC, Matrix and Telegram, rather than separating English versus non-English.

In T177#3913, @wxl wrote:

Nice! Oh, one small thing: the line should separate sections, i.e. IRC, Matrix and Telegram, rather than separating English versus non-English.

Fixed that up.
Matrix added now.
Old:

New:

wxl updated the task description. (Show Details)Dec 16 2020, 7:13 PM

Now with Matterbridge (T124) up, Arabic works fine. We're all set!

ok, perfect!!!!! thanks @wxl @kc2bez @teward

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