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`<wxl> if anyone wants to make a project out of digging through the old wiki to see if there's anything useful and transferring it over to phabricator, that would be great
<wxl> i.e. things related to development, contribution, etc. stuff related to support can just rot since it's all lxde
<wxl> if someone wants to make a task for it, that would be great, better yet if someone wants to take on the task, might be a nice little project to just pick at day by day`

(Floated at standup 17-Dec-2020

I don't see this as an urgent task, and may consist of multiple stages.

1. As Walter said, grab and possibly re-host pages with worthwhile Lubuntu project detail on our current site.

At a minimum these pages need to be listed, the decision on what to do can be made once the list is complete.

2. A few re-directs have been done with various delays

see https://notes.lubuntu.me/xGUhgY-9Tdip0AzRUT6wGQ for some detail mainly on starting the task following a prior startup, I recorded less detail in that log as I progressed especially for unmaintained/deprecated only pages.

(notes.lubuntu.me link can also be viewed with https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSg6S8yAuNGwGPldCaayOnATk7Q-4IM7fDLumCqUy_klehOIgT6y25wRvQHqMHnUINIrIdPFDscJUmh/pub in it's original form)

Few pages re-direct however, most have a unmaintained and deprecated red warning only.. Come April 2021, changes will need to be done to these which could be

  • leave page on wiki.ubuntu.com but change it from a Lubuntu page, to a LXDE page (if this is utilized, it can be done anytime starting now)
  • have page redirect automatically to lubuntu.me (see notes link for clues); Walter likes instant redirect, I personally like a delay.

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wxl triaged this task as Low priority.Dec 17 2020, 10:11 PM
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Yeah, basically anything that relates to development, contributing, and the like should go into our wiki here and everything else should relate to LXDE, which we won't be supporting post April 2021. Rather than deleting it, converting it into an LXDE rather than a Lubuntu wiki, will allow LXDE users (that we no longer support) to still see the info. Looks good. Thanks @guiverc!

@wxl, FYI: the rename of wiki pages (lubuntu to lxde) looks easy.. with it offering to rename subpages too..

The wiki task maybe pretty easy, with much of the time just verifying it did what I think it will do.

Legacy users who stick with LXDE/Lubuntu will appreciate I bet the pages still being there (ie. just renamed).

General (wiki) looking & some minor editing.. Comments & discoveries so far

  • no team member is notified of edits; some links only go to lyz, some to lyz, unit193 or people I don't recognize.. of little importance maybe esp. into future, but it still feels strange (mentioned months ago on IRC)

Links to Lubuntu founding (@amjjawad) I'd like preserved (Lubuntu History), originally points to dead thread

I see reference to people involved with the project in the past (that will be lost), maybe we could have a wiki page with a list of Lubuntu members (ie. past & present; those who've shown a significant & sustained..)
(these notes will be edited & added to at times.. or replaced with a link when a better place exists for them)

@guiverc I like this idea of having a list of contributors. Feel free to start a page on the wiki here.

(belated) ACK on wiki page list of contributors.
I've not got much further with this, but I'll provide a summary.

I didn't start a "pages need to be listed" as I never found anything of value (outside of contributors already mentioned)

  • leave page[s] on wiki.ubuntu.com but change it from a Lubuntu page, to a LXDE page (if this is utilized, it can be done anytime starting now)

which I mentioned in initial test. My guess is I've (quickly) browsed about 1/3rd of pages that would be caught (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/WikiMap), and other than the listed contributors, I've not seen anything that would be lost by a rename which is catered for in my initial looking (which was a couple of months ago now).

  • (the above was written some time ago, but never pasted)

I just noticed all our pages on "Get involved" point to our links page..

I wanted something more (minutes ago) for a support query, and didn't find what I was looking for. The https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved only redirects to lubuntu.me (meaning I didn't find one then), and the manual says "to get in touch with us" and links to https://lubuntu.me/links/

so I'll now add the following needs to be updated & incorporated on our infrastructure (wiki page makes sense probably; https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/ which means I have full access to do it too)
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved

Contributors page can be found at https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/contributors/

(please correct as appropriate, or let me know of any problems, issues or things needing to be corrected).

3 sections

  • Council
  • Current (Active) members
  • Past contributors

(the past contributors is just taken from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Get%20Involved/WhoWeAre#preview with timezone/language dropped..)

Likely issue - some (very active) folks are listed multiple times.

eg. Walter/WXL is a Council Member, Active/Current member, which i think should remain, but also appears in the Past Contributors.

Possible WXL's (Sorry Walter, I'm using you as an example here) in "Past Contributors" could be culled, but that also causes some extra detail to be lost; thus my decision to leave it in.

FYI: The order to the Past Contributors is TIMEZONE order, which I didn't want to mention, as it makes it more time-consuming to add new entries. Maybe that could be re-sorted, I opted to leave it as is.

I've also seen details relating to a "Kris" (all dead links) that wasn't on the page the past contributors came from; that "Kris" has been left off.

Minor point... in original I state

"Come April 2021, changes will need to be done to these which ..."

I think no changes to wiki should occur until AFTER Lubuntu 18.04 LTS has reached EOL (for us at least), so that should be "After April 2021"

Early on I explored how a change would be made; then tried to look at any consequences..

I've browsed (quickly) about 3/5 of the pages that I believe by impacted by mass rename, and haven't see any negative consequences beyond contributors I think we've covered now, and artwork/graphics that I believe had already been ported to phab (https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/oldart/ though (I've performed no checks all are there though).

I intend to keep exploring between now and end-April 2021, and FYI: I've explore all that show in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/WikiMap that I considered were likely candidates for detail we'd want, but I can give no guarantees I've not missed stuff.

Pages that may need a quick look over (review, some with specific person)

this may get listed in another subtask... I fear it'll get lost as a comment here... (but currently so few)

My plan is to do the following in May 2021 (after Lubuntu 18.04 LTS is EOL for the Lubuntu team)

I believe I've looked through all pages (progressively & multiple times) & already commented what I saw, but there is always a chance I've missed something.

I've not done any of this (wiki renames) before, so I have no idea what problems I'll have, but early in the process I explored what options existed & concluded it is possible, so even though I don't currently recall what I found, my notes will hopefully point the way (or I'll find out how again).